Holes in the Atheistic Worldview


rightandwrong-webAs I was reading up on the passage of Proposition 8 in California, I came across some interesting statements made by those who are actively against the proposition.  Jennifer Pizer, a staff lawyer for Lambda Legal (the nation’s oldest and largest legal organization working for the civil rights of lesbians, gay men, and people with HIV/AIDS), said: “We think it is early to go into federal court and ask federal courts to say we have a federal right to marry.” (1)

Why?  Because they would lose.  There are lawsuits currently in California courts saying that Proposition 8 was passed unlawfully and,  “Other lawsuits could follow, but gay rights groups have called on supporters not to file cases in federal court. They fear that a loss at the U.S. Supreme Court could set back the marriage movement decades.” (2)

Now, here’s the hole in their system.  In order for there to be right and wrong, there has to be some standard of right and wrong.  If do you not believe that God is the standard (obviously if you think homosexuality is a good, and right thing, you do not believe God is the standard, because His Word is clear that homosexuality is sin – 1 Corinthians 6:9-11; 1 Timothy 1:8-11), and therefore, for Atheist, “Morality is defined as the principles of ethical behavior given by society, culture, family, and religion.” (3)

But here’s the problem – society just spoke, and said it is wrong to say that marriage is between two people of the same sex, but rather is only between one man and one woman.  Therefore, under their own standard of morals, they must submit to what society has said it right.  But no, they, being a minority rebel, and fight – and therefore by their own standards are immoral.

I hope you’ve drawn lines into other problems with an Atheistic worldview – because if moral standards come from society, that means at one time, slavery in America was actually a good thing!  And that the ban on intermarriage between whites and blacks was actually morally right until the majority said it was wrong.  But they would not say such a thing – and therefore have a gaping hole in their world view.

And if, you, as an Atheist hold to morals from the “fact” that, “happiness and suffering of other human beings matter to us such that we should seek, whenever possible, to increase their happiness and decrease their suffering.” (4) then you also have a problem.  For in the situation of a masochist, who actually enjoys giving pain to others, you have a dilemma, for you will have to choose who will be unhappy – either the masochist, or the victim.  I assume you would choose to free the victim – but why?  You have a hole in your system as well.

Morals only make sense if the God of the Bible exists.

and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.” (Romans 1:32)

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2 Responses to Holes in the Atheistic Worldview

  1. morsec0de says:

    “Why? Because they would lose.”

    Why? They won in California. If any of the justices of the federal Supreme Court leave, Obama will replace them with liberals.

    I think they’d win quite handily.

    “and therefore, for Atheist, “Morality is defined as the principles of ethical behavior given by society, culture, family, and religion.””

    Cute how you link to a blog and cite it as the definition of right and wrong for ALL atheists.

    Try the affirmations of Humanism:

    “We respect the right to privacy. Mature adults should be allowed to fulfill their aspirations, to express their sexual preferences, to exercise reproductive freedom, to have access to comprehensive and informed health-care, and to die with dignity.

    We believe in the common moral decencies: altruism, integrity, honesty, truthfulness, responsibility. Humanist ethics is amenable to critical, rational guidance. There are normative standards that we discover together. Moral principles are tested by their consequences. ”

    “Morals only make sense if the God of the Bible exists.”

    If you take your morals from a creature who, in his own book, commits and approves of genocide, then you are morally bankrupt.

  2. nathanwells says:

    Hi Morsec0de,
    I appreciate you taking the time to interact. Just some thoughts:

    1) I said they would lose, only because that is what the new article said they [the gay agenda] thought – it was not only my opinion, but the reason they were telling other gay activists not to go to federal court over the issue

    2) You said, “Cute how you link to a blog and cite it as the definition of right and wrong for ALL atheists.”
    But I actually didn’t. I cite two types of the many ways that atheists find morals – one is through society, and the other is “happiness.”

    You cited another one – but actually it isn’t another one – it is linked to society – notice you stated, “normative standards that we discover together” – that is exactly the same as what I said some atheists base their morals on (society) – and my critique stands.

    3) You said, “If you take your morals from a creature who, in his own book, commits and approves of genocide, then you are morally bankrupt.”

    But actually you have no basis by which to pass judgment. How do you know genocide is wrong? Is it wrong at all times, without exception? You have no basis on which to make such a judgment.
    I, on the other hand, do have a basis by which I can judge between right and wrong – it is through the revealed word of God in the Bible. He created all things, and is all good, all loving, all perfect, and clearly as revealed in Scripture, not evil. He cannot even be tempted by evil, “God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone” (James 1:13), and therefore, regardless of what you think about the killings recorded in the Old Testament, they were not evil.

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